[Nodedb-interop] Fwd: Fwd: Re: Licenses

[Joseph Bonicioli]

Believe me Mitar the Guifi Agreement is so close to reality that I have
experienced in AWMN since 2004 that its staggering. Sad it's all in Spanish.


Now to experience so close and similar issues between communities and to
legislate on them without knowing about each other's issues in the first
place is magic! When you strike such magic then it is right and it fits many
situations. You have to treasure this as an experience of years that someone
is sharing. Even more so when you are start something up.
 
Better be specific than sorry.

When you reach 1K of nodes you will have no chance to agree on the basics
(Because for me those pages are only the basics). You are going to be
overwhelmed, it is going to be practically impossible to gather one thousand
node keepers and you are going to find yourself in funny situations. To
right the wrongs after a large infestation it is very difficult. I am
talking out of experience.

I see where you come from when you say that you find things very specific.
Even though someone might not agree, we could work on agreements that are
cut in to byte size chunks based on certain issues and offer them for
general use. 

Nevertheless I always find that a little more detail to general issues frees
you from the conversations of what is free, open, public, private,
commercial, profit, non-profit, legal, illegal and the like. Makes things
closer to crystal clear. 

Open nets seem to be simple as a concept but they are not. They can involve
many parties, many functions and many services. You have to address all of
those. 

My 2 cents

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Hi!

> BTW, I've been talking with people of many communities here. Some of
> them know about you in slovenia...

Interesting. ;-)

> I tryied to encourage them about the interop project, I think they
> became very excited on this, they also find that a very good initiative
> for all of us.

Yes, we could really do a global project around that.

> Wait, important! Comuns XOLN is a global agreement, not a network
specific.

I know. What I meant is that it has knowledge which you as a network
accumulated: experiences, situations, problems.

In this sense it is similar to your schema. It has a lot of knowledge
incorporated. What I am saying is that we try to make something we can
all agree upon and *understand* (reasons behind clauses and similar).

Maybe the result will be exactly the same license as you already have.
Maybe we will improve it in some way. Maybe we will find problems with it.

My point is not so much in the content (I believe you are making it so
that is it useful globally, minus some jurisdiction particularities for
other countries you cannot really do yourself) but in how this license
is presented. Creative Commons is doing here a great job and I thin we
should look upon them.

Like we should have a few of simple and graphical bullets for people to
understand, then we should have a long text meant for lawyers. And we
would have to do on porting some global license to particular
jurisdictions (not just translating them). I was talking with people who
were porting Creative Commons to Slovenia and I got small but positive
response that they would be interested in doing similar also to such
license.

So in this sense I am saying that your license is currently specific to
your network: it uses your language, it uses your names and similar, it
is made for your jurisdiction. It is made with global view (act locally,
think globally) but it is not yet there. And what I am saying: let's get
it there!

This one is also more verbose than PPA:

http://wiki.personaltelco.net/AcceptableUsePolicy


Mitar

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