From (spam-protected) Sat Apr 7 21:32:47 2012 From: (spam-protected) (Ariel Camino) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 16:32:47 -0300 Subject: [Nodedb-interop] About software for free wireless networks Message-ID: <4F80965F.5040806@gmail.com> Excuse my english, i was watching this pad: http://titanpad.com/interop and i have a project i never had time to finish, my idea was to build at least a prototype, there are some things that are different, eg this: lat = models.FloatField(_('latitude')) lng = models.FloatField(_('longitude')) and this: ubication = models.PointField() you can see more examples in the little code i have on github [21] This is the general description i had written in reStructuredText: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- freeNetGIS means free networks Geographical Information System (GIS for community networks). It is inspired by similar projects, among which may be mentioned: * NodeShot [0]: -> Maps [1] * BALLS (Buenos Aires Free Location System) [2] -> Maps [3] * FFSomething [4] -> Maps [5] * Guifi.net [6] -> Maps [7] Has a number of technical features that differentiate it from other projects, among which are: - Based on the Django web framework (GeoDjango [8]) Abstracts of geospatial queries [9] and the handling of geometric data types [10] and can be used as a postgis backend [11], mysql, oracle and / or SpatiaLite [12]. - You are not restricted only to an propietary API Use OpenLayers [13] for the map display, which allows using layers of different servers at the same time: * Open Street Maps - free [14] * Google Maps - owner [15] * Yahoo Maps - owner [16] * Bing Maps - owner [17] - You don't need internet Using databases that store geographic objects, you can import vector geospatial (eg shapefiles [18), so you don't need internet connectivity to display map layers. - It focuses on decentralization Techniques are being developed using the protocol PubSubHubbub synchronization [19], this allows you to synchronize the application with instances of the same system and with other systems using a standard publication in common, such as GeoRSS [20]. Currently the project is in development, the code is hosted at github [21] and are open to any developer who has wanted to make contributions. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would like to collaborate on your project and see if we can implement some of these ideas. The website is down (freenetgis.org) :( i have to fix it. Thanks! -- Ariel Camino [0] http://wiki.ninux.org/NodeShot [1] http://map.ninux.org/ [2] http://balls.buenosaireslibre.org/ [3] http://mapa.buenosaireslibre.org/ [4] https://dev.leipzig.freifunk.net/trac/wiki/FFSomething [5] https://freifunk-leipzig.quamquam.org/uptime/mapbrowser/ [6] http://guifi.net/ [7] http://guifi.net/ca/maps [8] http://geodjango.org/ [9] https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/contrib/gis/db-api/ # spatial-lookups [10] https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/contrib/gis/model-api/ [11] http://postgis.refractions.net/ [12] http://www.gaia-gis.it/spatialite/ [13] http://openlayers.org/ [14] http://www.openstreetmap.org/ [15] http://maps.google.com/ [16] http://maps.yahoo.com/ [17] http://www.bing.com/maps/ [18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapefile [19] http://code.google.com/p/pubsubhubbub/ [20] http://georss.org/Main_Page/ [21] https://github.com/freeNetGIS/freeNetGIS * * Español * Inglés * Español * Inglés From (spam-protected) Sat Apr 7 22:32:18 2012 From: (spam-protected) (Federico Capoano) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 22:32:18 +0200 Subject: [Nodedb-interop] About software for free wireless networks In-Reply-To: <4F80965F.5040806@gmail.com> References: <4F80965F.5040806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F80A452.20401@nemesisdesign.net> Hey, Il 07/04/2012 21.32, Ariel Camino ha scritto: > [CUT] > > freeNetGIS means free networks Geographical Information System (GIS for > community networks). > > It is inspired by similar projects, among which may be mentioned: > > * NodeShot [0]: -> Maps [1] > * BALLS (Buenos Aires Free Location System) [2] -> Maps [3] > * FFSomething [4] -> Maps [5] > * Guifi.net [6] -> Maps [7] > > Has a number of technical features that differentiate it from other > projects, among which are: > > - Based on the Django web framework (GeoDjango [8]) Cool, we are using the same framework. > Abstracts of geospatial queries [9] and the handling of geometric data > types [10] and can be used as a postgis backend [11], mysql, oracle and > / or SpatiaLite [12]. > > - You are not restricted only to an propietary API > > Use OpenLayers [13] for the map display, which allows using layers of > different servers at the same time: > * Open Street Maps - free [14] > * Google Maps - owner [15] > * Yahoo Maps - owner [16] > * Bing Maps - owner [17] this would be cool, I don't really care about yahoo or bing, i care more about OSM. > - You don't need internet > > Using databases that store geographic objects, you can import vector > geospatial (eg shapefiles [18), so you don't need internet connectivity > to display map layers. This would be really cool > - It focuses on decentralization > > Techniques are being developed using the protocol PubSubHubbub > synchronization [19], this allows you to synchronize the application > with instances of the same system and with other systems using a > standard publication in common, such as GeoRSS [20]. This would be really cool > Currently the project is in development, the code is hosted at github > [21] and are open to any developer who has wanted to make contributions. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I would like to collaborate on your project and see if we can implement > some of these ideas. > > The website is down (freenetgis.org) :( i have to fix it. >From my point of view you are mostly welcome in joining the discussion to see how we can proceed on this. Apparently there is quite a lot of interest from different communities around the world on this type of software, so maybe is the right moment to start collaborating. Subscribe to the mailing list here: https://lists.funkfeuer.at/mailman/listinfo/interop-dev If you know other people that might be interested tell them about it. PS: how did you find us? :-) *Federico Capoano* Web Designer & Web Developer Portfolio/Blog: nemesisdesign.net Twitter: @nemesisdesign PGP Key ID: 308BD46E -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From (spam-protected) Sat Apr 7 22:55:55 2012 From: (spam-protected) (Ariel Camino) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:55:55 -0300 Subject: [Nodedb-interop] About software for free wireless networks In-Reply-To: <4F80A452.20401@nemesisdesign.net> References: <4F80965F.5040806@gmail.com> <4F80A452.20401@nemesisdesign.net> Message-ID: <4F80A9DB.4060501@gmail.com> El 07/04/12 17:32, Federico Capoano escribió: > Hey, > > Il 07/04/2012 21.32, Ariel Camino ha scritto: >> [CUT] >> >> freeNetGIS means free networks Geographical Information System (GIS for >> community networks). >> >> It is inspired by similar projects, among which may be mentioned: >> >> * NodeShot [0]: -> Maps [1] >> * BALLS (Buenos Aires Free Location System) [2] -> Maps [3] >> * FFSomething [4] -> Maps [5] >> * Guifi.net [6] -> Maps [7] >> >> Has a number of technical features that differentiate it from other >> projects, among which are: >> >> - Based on the Django web framework (GeoDjango [8]) > > Cool, we are using the same framework. > >> Abstracts of geospatial queries [9] and the handling of geometric data >> types [10] and can be used as a postgis backend [11], mysql, oracle and >> / or SpatiaLite [12]. >> >> - You are not restricted only to an propietary API >> >> Use OpenLayers [13] for the map display, which allows using layers of >> different servers at the same time: >> * Open Street Maps - free [14] >> * Google Maps - owner [15] >> * Yahoo Maps - owner [16] >> * Bing Maps - owner [17] > > this would be cool, I don't really care about yahoo or bing, i care more > about OSM. > >> - You don't need internet >> >> Using databases that store geographic objects, you can import vector >> geospatial (eg shapefiles [18), so you don't need internet connectivity >> to display map layers. > > This would be really cool > >> - It focuses on decentralization >> >> Techniques are being developed using the protocol PubSubHubbub >> synchronization [19], this allows you to synchronize the application >> with instances of the same system and with other systems using a >> standard publication in common, such as GeoRSS [20]. > > This would be really cool > >> Currently the project is in development, the code is hosted at github >> [21] and are open to any developer who has wanted to make contributions. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> I would like to collaborate on your project and see if we can implement >> some of these ideas. >> >> The website is down (freenetgis.org) :( i have to fix it. > > From my point of view you are mostly welcome in joining the discussion > to see how we can proceed on this. Apparently there is quite a lot of > interest from different communities around the world on this type of > software, so maybe is the right moment to start collaborating. > > Subscribe to the mailing list here: > https://lists.funkfeuer.at/mailman/listinfo/interop-dev > :D i'm now suscribed > If you know other people that might be interested tell them about it. > > PS: how did you find us? :-) > > > *Federico Capoano* Nico Echániz sent the battle-mesh thread with the pad: http://ml.ninux.org/pipermail/battlemesh/2012-April/001677.html to the [RedesLibres] list (about interoperation of free networks of latin america). The people on the list are aware of this issue. Regards! -- Ariel Camino From (spam-protected) Sat Apr 7 23:15:38 2012 From: (spam-protected) (Mitar) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 23:15:38 +0200 Subject: [Nodedb-interop] About software for free wireless networks In-Reply-To: <4F80965F.5040806@gmail.com> References: <4F80965F.5040806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F80AE7A.209@tnode.com> Hi! Great stuff! > I would like to collaborate on your project and see if we can implement > some of these ideas. You are more than welcome to contribute & join in! We have been also discussing federation of installations and so on. Your experience in this field would be more than welcome. As we are also using Django, this is great way to not just collaborate but maybe even reuse your code. BTW, we have made another mailing list for discussion about development of our common future node database system. Please join there for more concrete discussion on this topic. (We had just recently few technical and less technical discussions you can read in the archive and are free to join in.) https://lists.funkfeuer.at/mailman/listinfo/interop-dev This mailing list is mostly for general coordination of networks and common database schema, I believe. Mitar From (spam-protected) Sat Apr 7 23:39:28 2012 From: (spam-protected) (Ariel Camino) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:39:28 -0300 Subject: [Nodedb-interop] About software for free wireless networks In-Reply-To: <4F80AE7A.209@tnode.com> References: <4F80965F.5040806@gmail.com> <4F80AE7A.209@tnode.com> Message-ID: <4F80B410.2090701@gmail.com> El 07/04/12 18:15, Mitar escribió: > Hi! > > Great stuff! > >> I would like to collaborate on your project and see if we can implement >> some of these ideas. > > You are more than welcome to contribute & join in! We have been also > discussing federation of installations and so on. Your experience in > this field would be more than welcome. I have a little experience using pubsubhubbub with Drupal: http://www.viguierjust.com/en/news/drupal-6-complex-node-synchronization-pubsubhubbub with two instances (diferent databases), working well. > > As we are also using Django, this is great way to not just collaborate > but maybe even reuse your code. > my code is really ugly because they are a lot of experiments to which I couldn't spend time, There are things in javascript MVC for the frontend, a REST API (using django-piston), some experiments with geodjango, and a draft of models based on guifi.net drupal app (nothing really functional). > BTW, we have made another mailing list for discussion about development > of our common future node database system. Please join there for more > concrete discussion on this topic. (We had just recently few technical > and less technical discussions you can read in the archive and are free > to join in.) > > https://lists.funkfeuer.at/mailman/listinfo/interop-dev > > This mailing list is mostly for general coordination of networks and > common database schema, I believe. > > > Mitar > I will read the archive of the interop-dev list, thanks! -- Ariel Camino